Comments on: Where is Woody Guthrie http://thefiresidepost.com/2008/10/09/where-is-woody-guthrie/ Stoking the Flames of Cultural Conversation Sun, 25 Jul 2010 14:00:34 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: jonolan http://thefiresidepost.com/2008/10/09/where-is-woody-guthrie/comment-page-1/#comment-575 jonolan Tue, 06 Nov 2007 16:38:37 +0000 http://thefiresidepost.com/?p=612#comment-575 tandula, I freely admit that US immigration procedures are screwed up; it is very difficult for many immigrants to enter legally and far too easy for others to do so. In some job sectors legal immigrants are a larger threat than illegal ones - the tech sector for example. I'd like to see a ground up reform of immigration. I believe the first step has be removing the illegal immigrants that are here though, and then securing our borders better. tandula,

I freely admit that US immigration procedures are screwed up; it is very difficult for many immigrants to enter legally and far too easy for others to do so. In some job sectors legal immigrants are a larger threat than illegal ones – the tech sector for example.

I’d like to see a ground up reform of immigration. I believe the first step has be removing the illegal immigrants that are here though, and then securing our borders better.

]]> By: tandula http://thefiresidepost.com/2008/10/09/where-is-woody-guthrie/comment-page-1/#comment-574 tandula Tue, 06 Nov 2007 06:59:55 +0000 http://thefiresidepost.com/?p=612#comment-574 South Africa, 2007 Overrun by illegals from Malawi, Botswana, Zimbabwe, Mozambique all the countries up north where life is unbearable under tribal rule. I digress. The people sneak into South Africa, one of the last apart from Namibia who in silence endures, to have the remnants of a once thriving economy. They come accross the borders in large numbers, reside in sub-suburbian slums of tin-huts and fire for heat. They work in illegal jobs, for sub-wages, but over there, those wages are far far less worth than what you find here. So what is left. Back in their home countries life is absurdly dangerous and the despair of hunger and seeing family members die daily is too much to bear. So now, having found their own promised land at the Southern tip of the continent, they still wallow in despair, but this time, what happens. CRIME! Horrendous Heinous crime. Robberies, car hijackings, murders, you name it, it's on TODAY's menu, in Every subburb. No questions, no apologies. You complain so much about the immigrants Jonolan, and I love that you do, because you give a sometimes contrary, sometimes complimentary viewpoint to my own, one that I can debate and if only you would respond we can continue. Between Mr. Ogh Rea Tone, you and everybody else, we have so many points of view. But lets remember that in comparison to other countries filled with illegal immigrants, The USA still has little in the ways of crime to show for their despair. And to make it clear. I am NOT opposed to the idea of rounding up illegals all over and holding a mass deportation ceremony with a huge party for their departure. Seriously. All the hell and high water that we've had to swim through to come here, and stay here LEGALLY, to never make mistakes and never work when we're not allowed, and always to stay within the law ... and then STILL having to jump through hoops for our visa... I too have my fair share of bitterness about this Jonolan. South Africa, 2007
Overrun by illegals from Malawi, Botswana, Zimbabwe, Mozambique all the countries up north where life is unbearable under tribal rule.
I digress.
The people sneak into South Africa, one of the last apart from Namibia who in silence endures, to have the remnants of a once thriving economy. They come accross the borders in large numbers, reside in sub-suburbian slums of tin-huts and fire for heat. They work in illegal jobs, for sub-wages, but over there, those wages are far far less worth than what you find here. So what is left. Back in their home countries life is absurdly dangerous and the despair of hunger and seeing family members die daily is too much to bear.

So now, having found their own promised land at the Southern tip of the continent, they still wallow in despair, but this time, what happens. CRIME! Horrendous Heinous crime. Robberies, car hijackings, murders, you name it, it’s on TODAY’s menu, in Every subburb. No questions, no apologies.

You complain so much about the immigrants Jonolan, and I love that you do, because you give a sometimes contrary, sometimes complimentary viewpoint to my own, one that I can debate and if only you would respond we can continue. Between Mr. Ogh Rea Tone, you and everybody else, we have so many points of view. But lets remember that in comparison to other countries filled with illegal immigrants, The USA still has little in the ways of crime to show for their despair.

And to make it clear. I am NOT opposed to the idea of rounding up illegals all over and holding a mass deportation ceremony with a huge party for their departure. Seriously.
All the hell and high water that we’ve had to swim through to come here, and stay here LEGALLY, to never make mistakes and never work when we’re not allowed, and always to stay within the law … and then STILL having to jump through hoops for our visa… I too have my fair share of bitterness about this Jonolan.

]]> By: Ohg Rea Tone http://thefiresidepost.com/2008/10/09/where-is-woody-guthrie/comment-page-1/#comment-572 Ohg Rea Tone Thu, 01 Nov 2007 18:41:08 +0000 http://thefiresidepost.com/?p=612#comment-572 Jonolan, You make good points - my intention is to try to keep a human face on this problem. We get focused on economics and statistics and we lose sight of the fact that we are talking about humans. Thank you for taking the time to comment. Ohg Jonolan,

You make good points – my intention is to try to keep a human face on this problem. We get focused on economics and statistics and we lose sight of the fact that we are talking about humans. Thank you for taking the time to comment.
Ohg

]]> By: jonolan http://thefiresidepost.com/2008/10/09/where-is-woody-guthrie/comment-page-1/#comment-573 jonolan Thu, 01 Nov 2007 17:44:26 +0000 http://thefiresidepost.com/?p=612#comment-573 There is a difference between Americans exercising their legal right to relocate within the US and with foreigners illegally entering our country, therefor there is a similar difference between the legality and ethics of those that try to stop such migrations. I can understand why the Californians tried to stop the dust bowlers, but it was wrong under law; stopping foreigners isn't. I would say it would be better all around to just round up all the illegals who are here and deport them. Then close the borders much more securely. After that you can start work on reforming immigration laws. Remember that these illegals won't be exploited by US criminals (read as employers of illegal aliens) if they come here legally. There's also the humanitarian issues involved in letting them sneak into our country. As long as we tacitly allow it the foreigners have little or no incentive to work to fix the glaring problems in their homelands. There is a difference between Americans exercising their legal right to relocate within the US and with foreigners illegally entering our country, therefor there is a similar difference between the legality and ethics of those that try to stop such migrations. I can understand why the Californians tried to stop the dust bowlers, but it was wrong under law; stopping foreigners isn’t.

I would say it would be better all around to just round up all the illegals who are here and deport them. Then close the borders much more securely. After that you can start work on reforming immigration laws. Remember that these illegals won’t be exploited by US criminals (read as employers of illegal aliens) if they come here legally.

There’s also the humanitarian issues involved in letting them sneak into our country. As long as we tacitly allow it the foreigners have little or no incentive to work to fix the glaring problems in their homelands.

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